How investors make investment decisions

by Zack Miller on June 3, 2010

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I had a really interesting conversation today with a really smart entrepreneur (more on him in a later post) and it just got me thinking how retail investors make investment decisions.  I guess if you had to break down the process of decision making in pulling the buy/sell trigger, we  make our investment decisions in the following ways:

  • Simple screening: Like Yahoo Finance’s stock screener, these tools allow us to search for both basic and more advanced parameters/criteria to filter out candidates completely from the investment universe (in fact, they’re banished, never to be heard from again, until we conduct another screen).  Some quantitative investors rely solely upon the output of these filters (see Joel Greenblatt’s Magic Formula). Charting falls under this umbrella, too.
    • Pros: Allows investors to sort through mounds of data to extract value
    • Cons: Once screened out, stocks that don’t fit the criteria are forgotten about and stocks that make the grade are never compared to these by-products.
  • Lateral recommendations: Like Amazon’s “people who bought X also bought Y”, here investors are using research tools like Morningstar to pivot around a particular investment of choice to broaden their research to find something similar, but maybe better performing/less risky. I see this a lot in the interpersonal interaction on message boards where one know-it-all tells everyone “If you like this stock, why don’t you check out this stock.”  The point here is that there is a frame of reference and new research takes off from there.
    • Pros: Unlike buying a new phone, where a customer can describe accurately what he wants (“I want the iPhone”), many investors lack the language to describe what it is they are actually seeking in an investment and what tradeoffs they may incur in making such a decision (risk/return).  Lateral recs allow investors to make decisions by saying something to the effect: I want something like that.
    • Cons: Lateral recommendations are frequently compiled by using website activity and purchasing data and then working backwards to create a personalized rec.  The truth is, though, there is nothing personal about this suggestion.  It’s just data.  In fact, it can stray pretty far away from what a user really wants.
  • Piggyback investing: Investors buy things based on weighted opinions from others.  These recommendations can come from an article in Forbes to actually hard-core piggybacking hedge fund picks like the guys at AlphaClone are helping investors do.
    • Pros: Taken as individual suggestions, many of these picks do fine in terms of future performance.  In fact, building an entire portfolio of ideas like this and creating a portfolio of them grounded in historical performance can act as an investment strategy that’s as good as any out there.  This takes much of the decision making out of the hands of the investor — he merely needs to decide which guru to follow.
    • Cons: Piggyback output lacks any personalized context.  Because John Paulson is buying gold doesn’t mean that Ida and Murry should be buying it for their retirement portfolios.

I’m sure there are many other ways I’ve missed but these seem to be the way most investors I’ve been in contact make decisions to invest or pass on opportunities.  In fact, decisions aren’t made via only one route like I’ve listed above — it’s probably a hodgepodge of ways.  Each one of these directions has problems associated with them and when technology is used to help solve these problems, new issues arise that have to do with the structure of the software thrown at the problem.

Please join me in asking WHY YAHOO FINANCE HASN”T REALLY CHANGED IN 10 YEARS?!  C’mon — with all the smart people we’ve got in the industry, investors deserve more.

  • http://twitter.com/Valuecruncher Valuecruncher

    Why hasn't Yahoo Finance changed in 10 years?

    Yahoo Finance is a really interesting case. A key disruptor in Web1.0 then nothing.

    You have seen my post – http://bit.ly/9cP1wk

    Here is my quick take:

    1. It isn't that big a business for Yahoo (I think Yahoo Finance is $315 million a year in revenues – see above post for assumptions). That is approximately 5% of Yahoo's (YHOO) total revenues of $6.46 billion LFY. Yahoo Finance is a big player in the free on-line finance space – but finance isn't that big a part of Yahoo. Thomson Reuters had $13 billion in revenues LFY and Bloomberg had $6.1 billion in revenues in 2008. We over-estimate Yahoo Finance's place in the financial data universe – guilty myself.

    2. Business model – advertising based (primarily brokers and financial products). If Yahoo Finance innovates – they are likely going after the people that are generating their current revenues. Should they / could they disrupt the market further – probably. But I bet that there is concern about harming the current Yahoo Finance revenue base. Yahoo Finance is a solid earner as it is – why change things (possibly an internal view).

    3. The platform is dated – Yahoo Finance is several base-platform generations older than Google Finance (for example) or Reuters free site. That makes keeping the platform stable probably a bigger job than we appreciate. Stability (and extending what they have) vs Innovation – stability appears the winner.

    What might change the dynamic?

    1. XBRL may be a game-changer. Uncoupling financial information from the existing raw data providers may generate a wave of innovation. New players (without the legacy issues) create base information platforms (not as good as Yahoo Finance initially) and quickly iterate with additional services (i.e. valuation) and disrupt the current on-line players (Yahoo Finance) and wider financial data players (Reuters, Bloomberg, etc). I believe Yahoo Finance keeps Reuters and Bloomberg awake at night today – that scenario may be even scarier for those players.

    2. Thomson Reuters, Bloomberg, Morningstar and the other traditional financial data providers (very worried someone will make their multi-billion dollar industry a multi-hundred million industry) are playing really smart. The free Reuters site is amazing. From the outside it looks like these guys see the threat and are positioning to compete with free offerings. The traditional players may yet win the day – but I believe there will be, at a minimum, a value transfer from these players to the consumer.

    Yahoo Finance – I think they may be the big loser caught in this cross-fire. Google Finance could be a player – but Google Finance is less of a contributor to Google than Yahoo Finance is to Yahoo. Umair Haque pushed for Google to do the job (http://bit.ly/a1hkG7) but Google has enough on their plate addressing the threat Facebook poses to their core business to worry about finance. I do really like Google Domestic Trends – shows what could be done.

    We want to see innovation in this space – and there has not been as much as some of us want. There maybe a step change coming – and that would be very cool. And that is more than enough from me…

    Really looking forward to the book.

  • newrulesofinvesting

    Great comment, Valuecrucher. Really liked the analysis you've done on your site and in this domain. Personally, because to the Yahoo-specific dynamics you describe (Y! Finance not big enough to register, asleep at the wheel), I think Bloomberg ends up doing an end-around to rule the consumer finance space online with BusinessWeek and Bloomberg.com in tow.

  • http://twitter.com/Valuecruncher Valuecruncher

    Bloomberg looks well positioned – but so does Reuters and even Morningstar. If I had to bet on a winner now – it would be one of those established players (Bloomberg or Reuters). BUT – I still think there is the potential for the business to be disrupted from below (Clayton Christensen's framework). Can these incumbents respond to a threat from below? It will be fasinating to watch.

    I could still see a scenario where a new entity (or a smaller existing player with little to lose) rolls out a basic service using XBRL and innovates like crazy and causes some pain to the establishment. But I can't point to them yet.

    Six months ago I thought that Yahoo Finance or Google Finance would be the disruptor. I currently don't think that they will be.

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